Come again?

Then you should be ready to pack your bags and live in a tent because Romney doesn't believe in government aid and no tax increase for the rich. Which leaves you screwed!!

Justice, I'm curious what do you believe government's role is.

Good heavens, dude! Who is "Oboma" and what did he throw?

Well, this election is a 1st for me. Politicians usually break campaign promises AFTER they are elected. Why aren't the republicans (and the tea party) upset with Mr. Romney's recent departure from the original script? Mr. Romney has changed is position more than a model changes clothes. I wonder why the polls in MI show Mr. Romney behind? Do the folks in MI know something we don't? Why were the republicans so thrilled with Mr. Romney's "performance" in the debates? Is it true that ANYONE is better than Obama? How many were willing to let this country shut down; how many wished this country would fail? How far has this country really come from the great racial divide? I can't wait for the book with all of the REAL details. lol Be careful folks. Running a country is a bit more complicated than running a business. There may not be time for rehearsals in the real world. My mother always said "be careful what you wish for, becasue you may just get it".

ClearBlue, why do you site the state of Michigan specifically with your question?
"I wonder why the polls in MI show Mr. Romney behind?" Why don't you just admit that if you can find your polling location, you are going to vote for Obama? Are you ashamed?

Another typical Obama minion. The sheer ignorance and stupidity of the liberal electorate guarantees that this nation is pretty much screwed already. It's just a matter of time and debt before our children and grandchildren suffer the consequences.

We can only hope.

OH my goodness! all you spelled correctly is the word is! bravo!

Please refrain from making Republicans look stupid by spewing anymore words out of your mouth and/or keyboard again; ever again ;)

Steve,
Maybe your dreams of a republican trashbag loser is "threw"

Typically men can't spell or type. The invention of computers for everyday use has sort of forced them to "smarten up". I know my brother has admitted that spell check has been his saving grace! Kinda scary that there are so many men in power.

Do you really believe that? Such a blanket statement truly hurts your credibility. It's worse that saying there's no Santa Claus.

Your brother? I can believe.

Seriously Tammy leave the spelling alone and look for intent. You are no better than anyone else!

Just for the record, not knowing how to spell or using incorrect grammar is something that makes you less credible. And the first comment is 2/3's wrong in the spelling category. And I do believe that a lot of men have a problem with both, and that comes from being a secretary for men for a long time.

Kind of like starting a sentence with 'and'.

Typical people work for a living.

Angry man haters detract from the original question. Misspelling words is nothing compared to showing how your upbringing has had a defining effect on you. Men can spell. Men can write. The sad part is that I predict you're someone who doesn't like people who judge you. Your lifestyle is contrary to the norm. Yet you use judgement when it favors your side. That only detracts from anything intelligent you may have to say, which up until now, is nothing. The original comment is funny. But the string that it started is not. Show me a man who can't spell and I'll show you a woman that can't drive. Are we really going to take it to the elementary school playground? Focus on the issue... don't bash others for their response. The fact that we can all speak freely is what makes for spirited debate. Tangents are for those that have no clue on the issue.... you can look up the definition of the word 'tangent' here http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tangent

Wow, Steve, I hit a nerve. I was stating an opinion from my point of view. Sorry if I lumped all men together. I won't do that again. And I am so glad to be the punching bag here. I am sure that all of you feel just great punching me.

I'm with you Tammy. This shows exactly what is wrong with most voters of certain candidates, and why people are looking for more from the government. Because they are uneducated and unable to get jobs that pay well enough to survive they vote for a candidate that will give them the biggest handout. They can not make the logical leap that if you don't take money away from big businesses then big businesses can create more manufacturing jobs for people who are less educated. All they think about is what can someone give me? Not how can I get a better job?

From 6 inches away! WooHoo! Romney is winning by a mile!

Jane,

While I agree that U.S. tax dollars for foreign aid should come with some stipulations. I think you're misguided a bit on protecting our borders. Border Security hasn't been this tight in 40 years. There are twice as many agents on our borders as there were 8 years ago. And illegal crossings haven't been this low since 1972! Those are facts!

Jane, the sad part is, we sometimes give foreign aid to these terrorists if they comply with a Peace Treaty. For example, if they promise not to attack Israel.

"While I agree that U.S. tax dollars for foreign aid should come with some stipulations. I think you're misguided a bit on protecting our borders. Border Security hasn't been this tight in 40 years. There are twice as many agents on our borders as there were 8 years ago. And illegal crossings haven't been this low since 1972! Those are facts!"
Baloney. Moreover you are leaving out the most important borders to be garrisoned: those surrounding the stateside Mexican Consulates and the MxGov's Institute of Mexicans Abroad whose officials and employees have yet been brought to task for even being provided, having and using still untold numbers of our voter registration forms.

I also resent your focus on the problem being the illegals---who do not make the rules---and not their rapacious Latino governments including stateside.

"Congratulations! You actually got a statistic correct. May be the first one I have ever seen from you. Illegal crossings are the lowest since the Nixon administration. Of course, when conditions in their countries are better than here, why come."

The statistics are based on what the MxGov says have been leaving from and returning to Mexico. Since when has the MxGov been trustworthy enough to supply trustworthy statistics?

"Of course, when conditions in their countries are better than here, why come."

Baloney. You've been brainwashed by the sold-out media that Mexico's so-called immigration to the US is driven by economics. If that were true, half of all Mexicans would have deserted Mexico years ago.

Get it straight: Mexico's and Latin America's migrants to the states have long been instructed and even coerced to the US, and even stay in the US, to colonize the US under the direction of, most essentially, the MxGov's Institute of Mexicans Abroad and under the so-called protection of the MxGov's, and its allied Latino governments', stateside consulates.

Obama's unConstitutional Dream Amnesty was, in effect, a surrender to that colonization.

"Who's talking about Mexico, don G? 41% of illegal immigrants in the US are from Asia and South America."

I am.

As for the illegal Asians, entering illegally via Mexico, they do so facilitated by the MxGov.

As for "Latin Americans"? Their governments have long allied themselves to the MxGov in both the instruction and coercement of their own nationals to leave their Latin American homes for the US and even stay in the US at least until they obtain the dual US citizenship long instructed.

Alongside the US (and even within the US) the preeminence and jurisdiction (Latino-style) of the MxGov among Latin America's governments is not nothing among Latin America's governments. Indeed, nearly all relations those governments have with the US are subject to the MxGov.

But what should I know? I'm only an American who lived in Mexico for some twenty years.

I am only an American who knows the very officials and employees of the MxGov here who are even being provided, to have and to use, still untold numbers of our own voter registration forms.

Border Security this tight in 40 years?

When the job market stinks it plays NO part in reduced crossings...
And how many of those increased number of agents get to hand out the DREAMer work permits as a award for breaking our laws and regulations?

"Wow don G, that's a little far out there. Do you think we will have to give back Texas?"

What!?! Is that why I'd want the borders of the stateside MxConsulates and MxGov's proxies be garrisoned?

At the time of Texas rightfully seceding from MxCty, so did the Yucatan. In fact 80% of MxCty's so-called Republic was then as rightfully trying to secede from MxCty; and still are.

Secession from MxCty has always been undercurrent in all of Mexico's wars including the recent rebellion in Oaxaca and the present so-called 'Drug War' (only) in Mexico.

Please do not offer the brainwash that the reason for Texas seceding from MxCty was over "slavery" as the disingenuous MxGov still has it---at least while slavery, with the very sanction of the MxGov, still persists in Mexico.

But now conveniently called "paracaisimo."

Isn't wonderful? That by simply changing the name of something or the title of someone (ex: Consul General of Mexico, Teodoro Maus, to ex-Consul General of Mexico, Teodoro Maus) must actually change that something or someone to something or someone else?

Sort of like calling an orange a banana or, inking an 'X' on an orange makes, an orange anything other than an orange.

They can even tell others that, since their Constitution prohibits slavery, it must be so; and others, undoubtedly like yourself, are naive enough to believe it.

"So, I take that as a Yes, we will have to give back Texas."---David

You take that as a "Yes"?

No me mamas.

I was wrong.

I was wrong that you were naively brainwashed.

And instead the brainwasher.

Beware fellow citizens:

Though advised that the U.S. Constitution empowers no foreign power---including the Mexican Government---to involve itself in U.S. elections and fully notified of Election Complaint made to the SOS of GA, October prior to even the last General Election---and its suppression---of officials of the MxGov being provided, having and using untold numbers of U.S. Voter Registration Forms, http://goo.gl/QjAOB , with proofs, http://goo.gl/1Wn0G , at best and upon receipt, AG Holder purged the USDOJ, Civil Rights Department to install Obama's nominee and ardently proactive and perceptible proxy of the Mexican Government, Thomas E. Perez, http://www.justice.gov/crt/aag/, to serve, as he has since, as the Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division and, thus, our Voter Rights Section.

The majority of illegal aliens are Mexican...59% per Homeland security

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_ill_pe_2011.pdf

The Mexico Unemployment Rate was recorded at 5.01 in September of 2012.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/mexico/unemployment-rate

Yes David please move...
The authorities need your slot so they can pass out another DREAMer pass, someone needs that vote in Nov 2012.

the reason the border is not getting used is they can come through the gate now with obama in. he sais come on in we will let you stay.

Yes, and we all know that the Mexican government is such upstanding institution and never, ever is bothered by scandals or corruption, right? I bet those numbers truly reflect the Mexcian unemployment situation...NOT!!!

"@don when did I say Mexicans? I said illegal border crossings....that's any crossing. could be terrorists crossing from Canada."

Could be and, in a very few cases are.

It is seriously disingenuous of you to make light of our border problems with Mexico, and Mexico's hostile government with, Canada and Canada's non-hostile government.

MxCty has, for quite sometime, been using the pretext of "immigration" for colonization.

That matters.

George, you should write a book. Name it "Dreams From My Meds".

George you are totally right. Commenters need to read how Israel was created in the first place. Their attitude is of one who is intitled to land already owned by others because of statements made in the old testament. I personally have nothing for or against Jewish people, but the trueth is that after WWII the United Nations craved out the Jewish people a nation from land already occupied and owned by Palistinians because no nation wanted all the Jewish immigrents moving to their countries. The United States has always been a major supporter of Israel. This should explain why the Arabian countries resent American interference in the Middle East.
David , you need to do some reading, The Palestinian people have no country to be free to go to at anytime, its now call Israel! Do you not remember the Palestinian refugee camps? Where do you think they were refugees from.? Why do you think Israel is so hated in the Middle East? Could it be their land grabing ways or the mistreatment of the Palestinian people.

"Netanyahu's attempt to interfere in the U.S. Presidential election is stupid and repugnant...." GW

But not the MxGov's constant interference. Right?

You mean then? Thank you for your advice. I need to get my hair trimmed.

Couldn't resist pointing out the typo, could you Steve? And I agree that George's comment was a little below the belt.

Well, he is a man and you were clear that "Typically men can't spell or type."

WRONG! No we don't all know George is right. Israel isn't bombing the Palestinians. It's the other way around. Israel has given more than they should have and it has done nothing to keep peace.

steve r.
Isn't that because the israelis have all the bombs and the Palestinians only have sticks, rocks and homemade weapons?
Israel should give back the land that does not belong to them. The US should stop funding them and invoke adequate sanctions until they withdraw from the land they don't own.

Eddie, ask you parents if you may Google the subject as you might find it interesting to learn facts. I'm sure it's tempting to believe the word of senior citizens rambling.. I mean randomly posting on the Patch website. You will be amazed how much you can learn by doing your own research. Good luck now. You hear?.

@ Eddie you been missing the news about rockets fired INTO Israel, or is it because that factoid doesn't fit the portrait you wish to paint?

Many people missed this news.
RAFAH, Gaza (CNN) -- "An Israeli bulldozer killed an American woman Sunday who had been protesting its use to destroy Palestinian houses in Rafah.
The woman, Rachel Corrie, 23, of Olympia, Washington, was taken to a hospital, where she died of her injuries. She was a senior at Evergreen State College in Olympia but was not enrolled this quarter, the school said.
Since January, she had been working with the Palestinian-led International Solidarity Movement to protest Israeli actions in the occupied territories, said Huwaida Arraf, co-founder of the group.
This morning, when she was killed, she was attempting to prevent the Israeli military from destroying Palestinian civilian homes.
She was raising her hands and yelling at the bulldozer driver to stop, The bulldozer driver paid no attention. ... He buried Rachel with dirt, which ended up, obviously, knocking her down. Then he ran over her, and then reversed and ran over her again.
A member of the solidarity group, who identified herself as Alice from London, said she and Corrie had sat for about three hours in front of houses belonging to their friends. The driver of the bulldozer must have seen them, she said, but drove over Corrie anyway.
Tom Dale, who said he was about 10 yards from Corrie, said she was in plain view and was wearing an orange jacket. "

The only 2 state solutions that will bring peace is one that locates Israel about 55 miles off the coast…

The countries surrounding Israel have been demanding the RETURN of land they LOST while an AGGRESSOR against Israel as terms for “peace”.
Start a war with a tiny nation, LOSE ground to that nation and then DEMAND return of the land captured. (so you could attack again)

That policy position could only make sense to the wonks in our very own DC and the blind supporters thereof. Peace in our time alright.

As to people who chose to block bulldozers while civilian GUESTS in another country, this may leave one to wonder just what kind of science classes they have received. Families should have fees related to Physics on any level of coursework returned.

r
That is why you should never give advance weapons (or even bulldozers) to vassal states that insist on behaving as barbarians (with a really strong lobby).

What this CLEARLY shows is that some of our colleges don’t teach Physics or the reality that if you are told “to get out of the way” while not in the USA, it may be valuable to do so…

It also seems to point out indirectly that the NATIVES knew when to move …

r,
Not at all.
We just shouldn't supply funds, weapons or heavy equipment to vassal states that we helped to invent if they insist on behaving as barbarians.

@Eddie

Please Google the history of Israel and comments made by Egypt's General Nasser before you continue on in the Mid East topic. 1967 1973 could be good short reads too.

r,
Nasser is long gone and irrelevant. Had it not been for our insane 'cold war' policies and the blinders that allowed us to waste resources fighting anything that was remotely 'communist' he would have been ignored at the time.
But tell me, what areas have we (the US) continued to occupy and control for over 45 years after a military 'victory'? Also, what countries have we (the US) expected and demanded funding from another country to continue such an occupation?

What kind of idiot stands in front of an advancing BULLDOZER?
The simple reality- Darwinism at work. She won't be reproducing.
If I were the Bulldozer driver, in that political climate, not knowing if the idiot was rigged with explosives or not, I would have buried her silly butt too.
Those tactics may work in the US but Israel/Palestine is not the place for that kind of behavior. She made a really stupid move and Darwin wins again.

David, That's the thing about all of this. Many Americans cannot conceive that this is a religious struggle and think that they can see this picture the way Muslims do. I have news for them. These radical Muslims do not see things at all the way we do and they will not act the way we do. They will, in the name of Allah, do REALLY stupid stuff because they believe they are fighting for their very souls and after-life. To them, their lives here are far less important to them to their lives in eternity.
So, yes Iran will attack Israel and, at the very least, our bases in the Mid-East. Why not, they have Allah on their side. And once Iran has long range missiles that can reach our shores, they will attack us too.
We have to stop giving them reasons for hating us. We should pull out of the MI entirely, foreign aid and all. They can then at least hate us for free.

@Eddie E
We see that facts that don't agree with your view are irrelevant...
Exactly what are you referring to as US occupied?

"you guys seem to think that you are always right and everybody who doesn't agree with you is wrong" Pam J, you just described yourself perfectly. Was that a typo?

As for George, he had that picture done at Glamour Shots.

Steve, I seem to be a little more open-minded than you. I have never said that Romney could not do a good job. I have never said that Obama was perfect. I keep saying that I hope the person who wins can do a good job. I am looking at both sides. What I have been complaining about is the fact that you and the other guys absolutely hate Obama and really are blind to anything good that he may have done. It wouldn't matter if I listed any of it, because you won't believe it. But there again, there isn't any point in talking about it any more because perfect people cannot be reasoned with.

The question George, will you understand why all the new jobs will open up after President Romney takes office? We have done our best to explain this to the left forever. Small business owners refuse to risk hiring new employees as they never know what to expect from Obama and the left. Glory be the day when his ass moves back to Chicago this coming January.

David, do you really feet better when you talk to people like this? Does it pump up your ego? Is it a nice view from that pedestal you have put yourself on?

David, I don't think you are being nice to George. What are you? 18?

Pam J?
Did I not read above you saying the following - "Typically men can't spell or type. The invention of computers for everyday use has sort of forced them to "smarten up"?
You make a remark like that and then question the maturity of another person?

David, you are 55 years old? Wow. Hard to believe. Did you really work for Clinton or are you messing with me?

Yes… many were trained well about the importance of facts during the concerns raised about shovel ready projects.

Sandy, not sure what you are asking? I'm talking about getting smarter about spelling and grammar, not maturity. Do you think that David's remarks about George apparently being in a Home are mature? But I digress - we are in that "gray" area now - getting personal. Sorry Patch.

Pam do season your foot before you put it in your mouth or do you take it as is?

Very mature, Rex. Not impressed.

And again Pam J feels the authority on maturity. Good Job!

AMEN to that George.
As a long time small business person, if the sort of nonsense that robme proposes would work, I would have been a billionaire by the end of the shrub administration!

What are your businesses George?

@ George

Are you basing your expert status after living 4 years of “Oh yes we CAN!” or have you found a hard copy of what “Forward!" actually means over the next 4 years?

Your experience with material “that makes plants grow GREEN” can’t be written off so easily…

r,
Forward ACTUALLY means moving forward (to where we were before shrub broke the world).

Or did you mean the nonsense you hear about using the term forward on talk radio?

So aren’t you thereby defining “Forward!” which is Pres Obama’s current campaign slogan as really BACKWARD?

Eddie E
Are you admitting we should really UNDO everything that’s happened in the last 4 years? NOW that’s change I CAN believe in!!!

r,
Not at all.
I want to see a much stronger fashion of the SAME MOMENTUM that has occurred over the last 4 years CARRY FORWARD into the next 4.

I have 20 make-believe businesses...Romney is right on track. while Obama does not know what he is doing.

Hoover was an engineer and investor for one and Bush was doing just fine until we got a Democrat majority in both the Senate and the Congress in January of 2007.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1580.html

Welcome to the new thread, Tammy. I said I didn't think the troll remark was very nice, but that seems to be on par with everybody else too. I honestly don't know why people can't state their points without being hateful. But I give up.

Tammy,
No troll here, just a Patriot looking forward to moving Forward with Four More Years!

why not watch the debate...this is immature..

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The U.S. Federal Spending is going down.

The federal government has closed out its fourth straight year of trillion-dollar-plus deficits and you say we are spending less?

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/numbers?units=p

Because the De Lorean's flux capacitor misfired?
Green energy doesn't make JIGA-watts yet ...

And let’s not forget in GA. we citizens carry the papers that the others just won’t do …

First, the farmers will not hire citizens to do the work, not because they will expect to be paid more, but because the farmer will have to report their wages to the IRS and pay payroll taxes. Don't blame the American workers, blame the farmers themselves. My nephew applied for several jobs on farms in Georgia just to make some extra money and he was never called. So let's get off this "at least they do jobs that Americans won't do" train.

Pam J
You are correct, those farms not using legal labor or temp labor under H2A are skirting the law. Not all farms do it, but the ones that do give many a bad name ...

Many of those who claimed they lost crops due to HB 87 were upset because the EXISTING laws NOW had to be followed.

They can get a work visa and pay taxes.

What specific items are unacceptable to most Americans?

"Romney's military spending budget is unrealistic and unacceptable to most Americans."

Really? I find it neither "unacceptable" or "unrealistic."

I found Obama's condescending statement equating naval vessels---except (obviously) aircraft carriers, "which little aircraft land on"---being as outmoded as "horses and bayonets" to be dangerously wrong.

While no longer very effective in large-scale battle, a large nation's fleet best assures, when possible, peace by the sheer signal of intent the visibility of their presence is.

The ability to patrol and even more so linger in international waters off certain coasts cannot be underestimated.

Would, for example, the Libyans who organized themselves to get rid of Quadaffi, have had to suffer as long as they did at the hands of mercernaries brought in by Quadaffi, if Obama had promptly sent several vessels off Libya's coast instead of only one---and a very belated one at that?

Would it have saved Obama from, given his mentality,having to cover up the lie of just who was responsible for the murderous attacks on our embassy in Libya?

I'd hate to see a world, in which Obama is so enamored, of secret strikes by invisible enforcers with invisible weapons.

A world where the ultimate deterrent to war, brinksmanship, no longer exists.

Can there really be an overwhelming reason for that deterrent not to exist?

Even an Obama sound byte?

Why should the world be any different from your neighborhood? Where there is, or should be, a difference between even peace officers and police?

Where peace officers gladly make their presence known to deter crime while police, and especially invisible, secret police, simply strike from out of the blue not to deter crime?

Even commit crime?

P.S.:

I found it worse than ironic that, though having just been reminded that it was the 50th anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis---when, even then, surface naval vessels were outmoded for outright battle---it was a lone US naval vessel--as it could have only been---that DETERRED the Russian ship and its accompanying nuclear sub(s?)---sent to test America's will to defend itself---that Obama would, nonetheless, play the audience for the sound byte..

When we get this Guy!
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f353/cherakee68/walter-jeff-dunham-1.jpg

Its Star Wars 2! talk about going back to the 80's ...

Soon, nuttyyahoo will just be a bad and pathetic memory.

Nice try... but his odds are FAR better about sticking around long term.

I swear. It's really so sad....If you had done even the smallest bit of real research you'd know that this administration has done more for the State of Israel that any administration in history, they are sharing more information and doing more joint military exercises that any other administration has ever allowed. Stop watching fox news and starting doing real research! Bibi Netanyahu is only one small part of the an entire system. Other people in the Israeli administration have said that Obama is the best president the U.S./Israel relationsip has ever had!

@ BStein
Not sure how you arrive at the determination that this President has done more for Israel than any other. Everyone is entitled to a belief, but using facts to back that up ... well...

Perhaps if relations were better in years 1-3, we wouldn't be holding the largest exercises NOW at the end of year 4. (Better late than nonexistent)

Some seem to blame FOX for everything but swear up and down they never really watch it for themselves, why is that?

I for one enjoy both Fox and Rachel Maddow and can extract value from each while overlooking the inherent occasional slanted material...

With each Obama lie we get more and more people voting for Romney ;-)

"Politics are so rotten now that the good ones won't step forward."

I think you, as I have, are underestimating Romney.

The more I hear Obama and others condemn him as a "flip-flopper," the more I see the flexibility required of a fixer.

The talking heads can, as they do, talk their heads off about how the problems should be defined when everyone knows what the problems are.

A real fixer is less interested in the definitions of a problem rather than just fixing the problem.

Vote on November 6th, or sooner.

Both have tailored their answers just to win votes from specific demographics, using the most sophisticated polling and demographic data to refine their messages for efficacy.

Hope you don't mind Mark. You are absolutely correct.

By the time 'Joe Six Pack" realizes the game has been rigged, the owners will have 'taken the last train to the Coast.' Bye-bye, Miss American Pie.

Unless we the people actually wake up and UNITE.

We ought try to find the things people agree upon, it will make this easier.

And what specifically made that obvious, we'll settle for the top 3.

"Well, it should be obvious to anyone with a full compliment of senses that the President displayed why he should have another term and that mr. robme proved once again that we don't know what it is he is remotely qualified to do."

Are you serious? "Robme"? Can you even prove Romney ever 'robbed you'?

As a candidate for the Presidency, Romney has arrived with far more credentials than Obama did when he first became a candidate; while the experience of Obama's term as President has added nothing to, and instead has detracted from, whatever qualifications for being President that he has ever been assumed to have had.

Personally, I think a man has to be a man before he can be a President; and Obama proved himself irremediably disqualified on both counts during the second debate.

Not being man enough to accept true responsibility for the cover up of the Libyan debacle, he would not be man enough also to not resort to comments such as yours.

In your case "robme." In his relentless "Big Bird" and "Romesia."

In this last debate, twice Romney rightly had to tell someone they were being "silly."

Once to Scheifer and once to Obama.

All Obama has proven, on his own account, is his qualification for, at minimum, being "silly."

Rex, you really do think you are better than everybody else, don't you? You really do think that belittling people makes you a big man, don't you?

"Bad night for Romney"

I didn't think so.

Romney certainly overcame his obvious laryngitis better than Obama overcame his own arguments.

Michael k, what is happening on September 7 and of what year?

Finally, get this straight, extremist Muslims hate the US, Israel, and the West, in general, in that order. Big Satan (USA), Little Satan (Israel), and then the freedoms we Westerners enjoy.

This is a truly epoch moment in America, we are doing OK. People ARE engaged, that is the 250+ year old process at work. It is messy, we are doing what we should be doing - Be involved.

Vote on November 6th, or sooner.

BTW, Donald Trump has some sort of blockbuster he will announce on Wednesday, wonder if that will be a bust or a real October surprise???

Hopefully Trump's announcement will be that he has proof that Obama went to College on our dime as a Foreign Student. Which, I believe, is the reason his College records are sealed.
That said, if any of you comfortable shoes types can offer a legit reason why his College records are sealed I am all ears.

randy,
What a sad place it must be inside your head.

@EddieE

The place inside my head is joyous knowing that you are working your hardest to achieve your ends, while others are working equally hard to offset your ideas. The political realm is tough, gritty and contentious, but as a seasoned lobbyist, you already knew that.

Extremist Liberals and equally extreme Conservatives both despise the squishy middle, or Moderates, since we have decided the last five or six Presidential cycles.

Fact is, lack of funds offers clarity to any person or government in that position. You can only pay for the most needed items, with what you have.

BTW, do G. your points are intriguing, they may even be correct, but your method of presentation lacks clarity to be taken seriously. Showing pictures of folks waving Mexican flags in various Southern cities is not very compelling. Alleging a man named Perez is a part of a scheme seems reckless.

Patch, an AOL Company, along with Huffington Post makes a nice, warm and fuzzy place for Liberals to wax on about the 'virtues of big government,' in an otherwise unfriendly Republican State.

"BTW, Donald Trump has some sort of blockbuster he will announce on Wednesday, wonder if that will be a bust or a real October surprise???"

That geek?

And I mean "geek" in the old sense: a person who, for money, would eat a live chicken at a carnival before a paying audience.

I suspect it has to do with info being reportedly found in the British Government's birth registration archives of Obama having been born in Kenya.

"BTW, do G. your points are intriguing, they may even be correct,...'---Randy

No 'maybe' about it.

"...but your method of presentation lacks clarity to be taken seriously. Showing pictures of folks waving Mexican flags in various Southern cities is not very compelling. Alleging a man named Perez is a part of a scheme seems reckless."

You must be new to this forum. Use "Carral' for a keyword search of Brookhaven Patch using Google's archives. Check all links.

I'd be more specific now, but this forum has become so congested with posts, pop-ups and an embedded (not linked) video that it has taken literally ten minutes to get this message typed into the comment box and submitted.

While, of course, damned' any typos that the fouled system in producing.

"Finally, get this straight, extremist Muslims hate the US, Israel, and the West, in general, in that order."---Randy

Surely Romney is right to start preparing now for a show-down with Iran requiring a naval blockade, in turn, requiring what the Navy will need: all the ships it can get.

But, so what?

When the country is being handed over to MxCty anyway?

Surely you can't believe that degenerate, but sly, government---even stateside---must love us more?

Race card denied.

"s I read everybody blogs, I find it is typical Cobb county republican backwoods, mentality racist attitude, if Romney wins God save us all."

Uhhh.. Romney is not even from Cobb County.

Or, for that matter, soon-to-be Brookhaven,

What's even more interesting is that a lot of the comments were made before the debate. I think they just changed the title of the article.

If only we could one or two reasons why the President won...

The bigger question was he enough eye candy? It's hard to tell without Joy to explain it.

Yep, Mark and Connie you both hit it on the head.

It pains me to say this, but Romney needed to differentiate himself from Obama on foreign affairs last night. Trouble is, they both have very similar ideas on what has already occurred, not easy to differentiate.

Once the sophistry of the debate show is removed, both Parties are working for their interests, and the American public will remain a distant third place.

citizens United is a huge part of the issue, the other part is how we let Congress redistrict itself. Using sophisticated computer demographics, each member can design a district that will continue to ensure re-election. If not to themselves, then to the Party.

Most people are clueless to the causes of a problem, they only see the symptoms. Even honest Party extremists will agree on this point, I have heard them do it.

Have a great day, folks, this is our birthright, the ability to argue about our government without fear of reprisal. Enjoy it!

"Have a great day, folks, this is our birthright, the ability to argue about our government without fear of reprisal."----Randy

Man! You are seriously out of touch.

If I could only get a reprisal, I will have gotten something out of it. Alas, two heads of the same snake, and I can't even get one to bite me!

"Think this will be a very close election and the undecided voters will make the decision of our president. My take on the debate was that Romney didn't come across strong enough and should of talked more about the Benghazi attack in Libya right at the beginning of the debate and he missed it. He could of nailed Obama on that."

I had been thinking the same too. And not on just Benghazi but also Fast & Furious.

Obviously Romney is not the timid type. So why?

And then I recalled how pissed I was when Ford pardoned Nixon.

It was a long time before I realized that Ford had done the right thing.

To get Nixon to resign Nixon would have have insisted on a promise not to be prosecuted later. Ford, even prior to becoming President, had to agree.

After all, Nixon, the man with his finger on the button, had become deranged.

Who in their right mind could not observe Obama, during his first and second debates, and whatever coverage of his stumping in the provinces in between (and still), not have to worry about his being in the process of having a nervous break-down?

When looking at Romney, I now see a President.

Romney demonstrated presidentiality twice, when, despite his obvious fatigue and laryngitis, he reached into an inner-reserve (lacking in Obama) for the presence of mind the circumstance demanded, leaned forward and, without rancor or ridicule, told Scheiffer his question regarding a phone-call from Israel's Prime Minister of an A Bomb being delivered to Iran was not worth answering and was silly and explained that that is just not how things work and HE KNEW IT.

(Similarly when having to tell Obama that his incessant charge that Romney does not care was "just plain silly.")

Whether Romney realized it or not, he did not fall for the question that was thought to have been designed to destroy him.

Even Obama looked on in amazement as Romney---again without rancor or ridicule---had denied Obama the answer ultimately designed for Obama to make.

It was amazing. Romney emerged actually being Presidential while Obama, though President, appeared once again to be no more than a community organizer schmoozing a Nickelodeon crowd with excuses.

I think a lot of people have been mispercieving Romney.

Just because he is an exceptionally nice guy, doesn't mean he must be weak.

Far from it.

"If I could only get a reprisal, I will have gotten something out of it. Alas, two heads of the same snake, and I can't even get one to bite me!"

Ordinarily I would agree. Romney does not strike me however as being the State and local Republican-type. Or the Dems on any level.

After yesterday evening's debate I'm sure of it.

The people tell Romney just what they want fixed, and he will do it or die trying despite the Dems and Repugs.

I agree Connie..its all a hot mess right now. I am an independent who has made up my mind for Romney and to be honest I feel like I am having to pick the lesser of the two evils, and I just dont like how that feels. I really haven't seen a candidate for the American people since we had Reagan and I understand, it takes a society and culture to find another like him, and unfortunately, I just dont see it in this and future generations. The people need to decide they want better for their country as a whole and be willing to sacrifice for it. Ultimately, I will always always always, vote agenda, regardless if your black,white,blue,pink,fat,skinny,tall or short,etc. I am not swayed by looks,prestige,or anything other than agenda. Obama's track record is deplorable to say the least and as many years as I have seen this country shift and sway, have never seen a more destructive president. At least Romney has a record, a financial record, to run on. It will take a long time for this country to make a come back, but if people dont stop with the complacency and willingness to make trade offs such as those for security, we aren't going to ever heal. And just look at all the insulting name calling on this blog by many posters- no one likes that. Its drama, save the drama for Hollywood!

Because to open them would induce "BLUNT" force inhaling trauma ...
FOX made him do it!

If the most important issue on your mind in an election is a candidates college transcript, then you might be a redneck. (Copyright: J. Foxworthy)

Of course if its a Republican being discussed we're exposed to High School happenings as earth breaking news.

But you're right since he claims a law degree we sure don't want to know if that ranking was 3,999 out of 4,000, NOT relevant in the least.

"If the most important issue on your mind in an election is a candidates college transcript, then you might be a redneck. (Copyright: J. Foxworthy)"

How "Sad" you are.

If true it would be a matter of the 'US Constitution' and not, as you are having it, a mere matter of a "college transcript."

In any event, it has been and remains incumbent on Obama, while seeking or holding any public office, to withhold nothing, much less "seal" anything, from the Public Trust---no matter the reason.

don Gabacho, you're doing yourself a disservice by screaming for Obama's college transcripts. It makes your position look insanely petty. There are plenty of real reasons to challenge BHO (Libya, deficit, jobs, etc). You become a defacto birther level idiot by clinging to this topic. BHO graduated president of the Harvard Law Review. He's probably a rather smart guy. Now move onto something relevant.

If you weren't concerned about a President's college records being hidden from the public you might be a Sad Clown.
I asked a direct question. Somebody, anybody, give a straight answer. Please.
Why are Obama's college records sealed? Anybody?

Sad Clown- All you can do is condemn the question. Why don't you answer it? Perhaps some here would gain some respect for you. It's a really simple question and I would think it would only take you a minute to reply with a perfectly plausible reason, putting Obama in a positive light, advancing Obama's cause. So how about it? Granted, sealed is the wrong term to use as that would normally apply only to records that are normally public, then get sealed by court order. So Sad Clown, here you go:
Why is Obama the only President in the history of the United States who has not MADE PUBLIC his college records?

"don Gabacho, you're doing yourself a disservice by screaming for Obama's college. transcripts"?

Me? "Screaming for Obama's college transcirpts"?

Get a hold of yourself. I didn't ask for them and never have.

'It makes your position look insanely petty."

The US Constitution is not "petty" no matter how you trivialize it for "college transcripts."

:There are plenty of real reasons to challenge BHO (Libya, deficit, jobs, etc). You become a defacto birther level idiot by clinging to this topic."

Yet again, no matter the authenticity---"OR NOT"---of Obama's birth certificate, Obama is not above the obligation of those seeking or holding public office to withhold such info of the kind from the Public Trust.

You obviously haven't any idea of the issue that I am referring and what is, and is meant by, "the Public Trust."

Or what is truly at stake here: the legal precept itself governing transparency---no matter the authenticity---"OR NOT"---of his birth records---for those seeking or holding public office in the USA no matter Obama's deliberate test of the Public's Will to even recognize, much less defend, the legal precept itself, to instead allow Obama his continuing violation of the precept itself.

Got it?

Perhaps you are unaware of the centuries of struggle, including rebellions, torture chambers, massacres, and even revolutions, to achieve this governing legal precept---not to be laid aside for any one FOR ANY REASON.

"BHO graduated president of the Harvard Law Review. He's probably a rather smart guy. Now move onto something relevant."

Over and over again Obama has used whatever education he has in the US Constitution to defeat it.

Although he is even sworn to defend the US Constitution, his contempt for the obligated transparency alone on this matter is hardly his only transgression.

He has even voiced, more than once, a certain disdain for the US Constitution for supposedly being, like ships at sea, somehow "outmoded."

And, of course, only Obama, must know best; and already proven, as described, above the US Constitution.

Better than the US Constitution itself.

For only one most recent and flagrant example: somehow empowering himself to override even a Constitutionally comprised Congress, legally denying him the (MxGov's) Dream Act, only for Obama to nonetheless decide just what "the right thing to do" must be.

Why do we even need Obama as President, when we have him our God?

No matter how he and the long sold-out (to MxCty) media cloaks him in lamb's wool, he's a tyrant.

"Can anyone form Obama's camp please give me a plausible explanation that puts Obama in a better light?---Racer X

Though not from "Obama's camp," I can.

All of Obama's life, Obama has had, through no fault of his own, an identity problem. From virtual fatherlessness---and motherlessness---to not being either white enough for many whites or black enough for many blacks, Obama has had to suffer many needless indignities.

Once having arrived to the summit, the Presidency, I would think it natural for such a person to resent having to still identify himself.

Nonetheless, the nature of the office, its qualifications for office and obligations to the Public Trust for transparency remain, as they must, paramount----above even Obama's personal sensitivities.

If that is all there is to the matter.

I suspect not; and the sensitivity becoming a vehicle for Obama to---consciously or not---hold himself above others. Being someone quite special after all.

Special enough to not disclose information which would have denied him running for the Presidency at all?

Possibly.

He does have a disquieting disdain for the US Constitution which makes the qualification.

As it is, I think, in a very real way, his never coming to terms with his own identity, and being confident with it, has held him back.

He certainly has not moved himself beyond the inidignities inflicted by others, real, perceived or, at times, even deserved; which would as certainly explain at least why, when his back is rightly against the wall, he resorts to childish name-calling---and inflict indignities.

Also, why he surrounds himself with people who, like Biden, do it for him.

I agree, to a point. When we elected a black President, it was either going to unite the country or divide it even more. And I'm not going to argue with anybody else about it, but race does play a part in it. The same thing will happen when we elect our first female President.

...a lady president? Now I've heard everything.

.... or our first mixed race, oh, wait, got that..... um, our first undocumented...... our first, um, Russian transgender prostitute.

The Republican policies led us into the hole we're now in yet they want to blame Obama. Their #1 priority as stated in 2009 plus their joke of a candidate this go-round is an embarassment to their Party. America will rue the day if Slick Mitt gets elected.

And the Democratic stand after the FL chadville fest in 2004 was all candycanes and rainbows for George Bush?

Mitt's wrong. The government DOES INDEED create jobs. Lots and lots of jobs. In fact, he wants one of them. We call them government workers and they're people who work for the FBI, CIA, the Military, IRS, TSA, EPA, I could go on. Your local police, firefighters, EMS, and public school teachers are all government employees, too. So are the Governor, your state Representatives and Senators. So, when ANYONE tells you that government doesn't create jobs, they're lying to you. And if the person telling you this is a government worker him/her self, well maybe, just maybe they should resign.

Make no mistake about it - when people say America is no longer a major manufacturer, they are wrong when it comes to defense electronics, advanced weaponry, simply the best in class worldwide.

Our legacy is that we make stuff to spy on others, blow stuff up, etc. Those fantastic endeavors create millions of high paying jobs. To what end? The stuff is useless until it is used, and when it used - Well, people die. Some of those people need killing. LOL, but they are not invitees to Thanksgiving Dinner.

In a global world we sell this stuff around the World, so the US Federal government is not the only buyer.

If you cut Medicaid, some wretched soul (who may be wretched for any number of reasons, some good, some self inflicted) loses their pittance.

If you cut defense, some person with fairly high paying job (in many cases) loses employments.

The 60's terminology of "Guns or Butter" and "Turning swords into plowshares" is no less relevant today.

Who owns America? Are you willing to research facts and communicate to your elected officials? If not, "Truth shall bow before Power"

@Don G. Oh yeah, our right to speak out without reprisal ends where the Administrations nose begins. POTUS enacted regs to make certain pol free speech a national security threat.

When the music stops, make sure YOU have a chair.

"I'm confused. If the government doesn't create jobs and small businesses create jobs, why is Mitt Romney concerned about losing tens of thousands of jobs if the defense budget is cut?"

You are confused. Building needed ships requires labor. Lot's of it.

No?

If you prefer the taxpayers of a nation at war being billed for the construction of wind mills, that's your problem.

Please don't make it everyone else's.

"@Don G. Oh yeah, our right to speak out without reprisal ends where the Administrations nose begins. POTUS enacted regs to make certain pol free speech a national security threat."

It gets much worse than that.

For only one: exercise your Right for Redress of Grievance and make an Electoral Complaint involving the MxGov and, as it turned out, Americans who, on that score, prefer protecting themselves by protecting the MxGov instead of the complainer, the US Constitution and, indeed, all Americans.

Indeed, make any criticism of that government, including its most lauded (by the sold-out media) examples of that government's so-called US office holders.

Then come back to me and tell me Americans need not fear "reprisals."

Yes Virginia, the government can create government service jobs to infinity and beyond…

All it needs is a revenue source to do so, which in our land is taxes or funny Fed Financing rates because the government consumed all the lockbox seed money it had collected in advance from its citizens.

(It could have held capital INCREASING instruments, but it spent the money on its own debt)

The taxes it uses as revenue are siphoned from private sector activities. When the private sector activities begin to decline, that leaves less funds being available for the government so its income declines. In reaction it can adjust budgets downward, INCREASE tax rates or borrow.

As long as it borrows from itself, it acts like many corporations that self insure which works GREAT, until something happens that requires actual cash, then the scramble to cover the stake begins.

In our case, the something happening will be a hike in interest rates, the foreign holders of our bonds cashing out or markets become saturated and our bonds no longer sell. Maybe the false zero floors the FED has out now will last for 20 years and then our government will simply cancel the bonds outright, cleaning the balance sheets at no cost to us.

Sounds like plan where NOTHING could go wrong to me…

QEternity it’s the plan to be.

FED carry on for eternity!

CT just how much revenue and profit do those jobs produce

Beth:

Who is paying you to post this stuff? You are from Florida, but you post on several Patch sites outside of Florida. Most notably, you posted pretty much the same comment on the Exeter, NH, Alpharetta, GA, Plymouth, MN, Chesterfield, MO, Vienna, VA, Waukesha, WI, and several other Patch sites around the US.

http://dunedin.patch.com/users/beth-norquist

How much are they paying, and how does one get such a job?

CowDung (how cute), if you have AOL as your homepage, the links to stories will sometimes take you to the different Patch sites (which are owned by AOL). We may all be in different states, but we are still the United States of America. If it's a national issue or even a local issue that has impact on other areas, it should interest you, regardless of which state you live in. Now, if you live in Florida, you should not be on the Georgia Lottery facebook page complaining about the Georgia Lottery.

Beth is busted! Obama shill!

Andrew, busted for what? For stating an opinion? Or for posting on a site that is in a different state than where she lives? Oh, I know what it is. She has a different opinion than you. Got it. That's not allowed. Shame on her.

Actually Pam J, if her postings involved only one site outside her home state it would be a case of 'stating her opinion'.

Repeating the posting the same, unsolicited opinion on several Patch sites across several states, all within an hour of each other makes her a propagandist troll.

My thoughts exactly Beth. I truly don't understand how anyone in their right mind could vote for the Romney/Ryan ticket.

I'm going to vote for the white guy because he's not Obama.

Well, Steve R., at least you're honest. Bless your heart....

To clarify, I was stating that skin color has nothing to do with my choice. Obama and his policies have everything to do with it.

Thank you for the blessing. That is kind.

There's your reason for withholding college transcripts. You can't judge a book by it's skin cover. Obama is WHITE, by legal definition. If he went on a minority scholarship, he lied.

Good post, Jack. I am with you. I am an independent and will always vote agenda. Regardless of color or any other physical qualities/lack of. I just posted earlier that we as a country must stop with the name calling/complacency.etc. and be willing to make sacrifices as a whole. I am not so confident in the people anymore.

I'm voting for anyone but Obama and I don't care if they are purple...

That's hilarious. Who ever wins this year will have a whole lot more poop to clean up than Obama had four years ago.

Genius analogy. I guess Santorum was correct about not getting 'smart' people to vote for the GOP.

Derided? How about annihilated? So much hatred.

Pam,
It's only annihilated if they manage to kill off the TRUTH and wrong-wing ideology prevails!

Racer, BHO didn't decide to 'share' the fact that he was pres of the Harvard Law Review. That position is a public record in every law school.

As an independent voter that often crosses party lines, my point is that this is irrelevant to the campaign. You have so many other issues to hammer BHO that directly effect voters. This isn't one of them. People that cling to this topic as important are in the same extremist group as the birthers. Let me help you. Both sides desperately want the few undecided voters. You won't gain a single undecided voter with this topic even if it were ever proven (which it won't).

Sad Clown- So, does this mean you can't answer the question? Does this mean there is no good reason?

It means it doesn't matter. You want to win? Then don't discount your opinions (and you do have very valid opinions) with what most people associate with extremist nutjobs. Go for what's important to people (jobs, economy) and you'll have much higher odds of winning. Just trying to help a brother out.

If Romney's tax returns were so important than Obama's school records are important.

Sad Clown- Thanks for validating some of my opinions. I really don't want to come across as some extremist nut job.
The reason this question is important to me is because I believe we should have a man of strong moral character in the White House, someone my kids can look up to, especially when that President got elected largely on his claims of improving Government transparency.
I am pretty clear on all the other issues regarding Obamas strengths and inadequacies but this one question nags me. I am just looking for some possible reason why he would not make his College records public to possibly put him in a better light.
All the other issues have two sides, except this one. One side claims the reason is nefarious while Obama's camp has no answer, except the claim that it is not important.
All I want is a little, bitty, tiny answer to a little, bitty, tiny question. If somebody can give me a viable answer, you won't hear from me about it again.
Can you, or anybody else help me out?

How does one go from being Prez of the Harvard Law Review to O & Michelle being forced to give up their license to practice law???

Jonathan, how do you know a native American hasn't already tried? There are many people running for president in every election but we are always presented just two "choices". It would be expensive to cover more bets... Divide and Conquer is the name of the game.

IARN*

*Italian American Reparations, NOW!

We gave you our food.

Guisseppe- You have a heck of a good point there, love your food, but you must not have gotten the memo, only one group is allowed to play the race card.......sorry.

"What a mess this all is."

Yes. Exactly what Obama had promised it wouldn't be.

I certainly don't look forward to any more four years with Obama.

There will be endless legal procedings against him and Holder including impeachment or such a clamp down on dissent to have everyone cower.

While there will be no repeal of Obamacare and more importantly no repeal of the sly Dream Act----much less removal of the MxGov's consulates from the USA.

The way I see it, and I do hope I'm wrong, unless Romney has a 7% lead going into election day, he won't win the election no matter any electoral college mire.

David, are we catching and killing many terrorists in other countries? Sure, we got Bin Laden, but he wasn't even in a country where we were looking for terrorists. We are in Afghanistan. Geez, so many questions from you. Do you expect the United States to take care of the world's pollution, to force Russia to give up their nuclear weapons, to force Iran to stop building their nuclear weapons? We did a fine job in Iraq looking for those terrorists.

Nice of a Patch employee to chime in.

Commenting on a topic too, you'd think this was related to a charter amendment or something...
(Smiles)

Lots of reasons, David. Pregnancy, periods, women are beatchy. But, be careful, you are standing on the glass ceiling.

Denna,
Mr. Robme loves teachers, in binders!
Just ask him.

The earnings of woman to men are the MAXIMUM of 75 cents to the dollar throughout the ENTIRE United States. How can you even try to blame Romney for this as Obama has been president the last 4 years?

Romney filled out tax returns so how is that not honest? Your desperation of attacking Romney is pretty amusing! ;-)

@Denna Millard Don't forget that Pres Obama has investments in China too ...

He reminds me of a used car salesman! The people that are voting for him must really HATE Obama -- they don't even know WHICH of the many policy positions he taken will be the ones he brings with him to the Big House. What a joke.

It is OK to hate a president who is destroying America.

Careful, Diana, if you bust the glass ceiling above you, David might come crashing down upon you, and my CPR is out-of-date.

Diana- May we assume your husbands nuts are in your purse?

Winning born at the expense of U.S. companies (check out his Bain resume), but dismal record as Governor of Massachusetts (47th in the Nation). Tell me again, how the Romster's a winner?

Romney's record in Massachusetts: Unemployment down to 4.5% and number one in education. Sure sounds like he would be a great president!

From Reuters: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails

Obama is the liar-in-chief

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/us-usa-benghazi-emails-idUSBRE89N02C20121024?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=71&google_editors_picks=true

What's really disgusting is that this "Commander and Chief" (as he reminded us over and over last night). Carried on for WEEKS while on his distraction tour. Blatantly lying to the American people, blaming an obscure video all the while knowing that it was an terrorist attack. Hillary should issue an apology to the families of those four murdered Americans. How dare her stand in front of those grieving families and blame the deaths of their loved ones on a video. All the while knowing that obscure video had absolutely nothing to do with their murders. The reports and emails prove it. This administration is rotten from top to bottom. LIARS!

Oh, and let's not forget those weapons of mass destruction that we lost thousands of soldiers over that never even existed. How long did it take for our President then to admit there were no WMDs? Oh, and a war that lasted way too long.

Pam J, your vote for Obama in Georgia will not help him. I get SO much pleasure reminding you and all of Obama's minions of that fact. : )

Pam J goes with the "what about Bush" type tactic. Going to be time for her to say it is racist next as those two things are the major moves in the liberals playbook.

Andrew, give em a break. What else do they have? Geez!!!

Pam J. said "Oh, and let's not forget those weapons of mass destruction that we lost thousands of soldiers over that never even existed. How long did it take for our President then to admit there were no WMDs? Oh, and a war that lasted way too long."
Pam- Bush is an ex- President. The point is that Obama should join him.

Fair game, people, fair game. If you are going to criticize the current Democratic President for something, I just thought I would point out that he is no worse than your Republican President, where the "lie" cost so many lives. You can dish out the hate, but you most certainly cannot take it. And by the way, I never said I was voting for Obama.

Pam J.- Not "fair game".
Romney is no more Bush than Obama is Clinton.
This discussion is concerning Obama and Romney.
Throwing Bush stuff out is not a valid argument against Romney.
Bush did a poor job, Obama did a much worse job.
Romney is the only candidate to vote for.

Racer, at least I got you to admit one thing - Bush did a bad job.

Pam J, how old are you? You seem to be on the same level as Rex. Maybe you two should hook up. It would give you both something to do with your time.

Once again Pam resorts to the "Blame Bush/compare Bush) tactic!

Sandy, I am 59 years old. And I would probably like most of the people on here in person. And I'm sorry to bring up Bush, but it just boggles my mind that he served two terms. And I guess I shouldn't bring up the fact that Romney's grandfather left the United States because they wouldn't let him have multiple wives. And Mitt spent time in France trying to convert people while others were in Viet Nam risking their lives. Yea, I know there were a lot of draft dodgers, but they aren't running for President. And I know he got a deferrment, but that's just another word for dodge. If all of you want to bring up Obama's history (or at least question where he was born), why can't we bring up Romney's. And let's talk about those offshore accounts. Maybe it's legal, and maybe I would think about it if I was rich, but I think it's just wrong.

Pam, Joe Biden received five student draft deferments during late 1963 to the early 1968, at the peak of the Vietnam War.

Don- I really appreciate your posts. I find it sad that the only reply from Obama's supporters regarding this post is one weak attempt to change the subject to a past President. Can people be this blind? What will it take for them to admit, at least regarding this, that Obama is a deceitful liar? If Romney did this I would be the first to say, "Hey, I liked Romney but that is some deceitful crap right there!".
But Obama did it, so they all think it's OK, hunky dorey. Are people really that drunk with Obama? Unbelievable.

Wayne, you need to google the words "Sensata and Romney" if you truly care about manufacturing jobs in the U.S. The Romster's successful business experience was born at the expense of U.S. manufacturing jobs. He is a hipocrit of the hightest order. If you will do further research, you will also learn that Obama has been tougher than ANY President thur far on dealing with China.

Let’s not forget Prez Obama’s job czar GE’s current CEO.
Expert in sending jobs to China and listed materials to IRAN, now THAT sure is the change we can all believe in…

GM outsources almost two thirds of its jobs overseas. Less than one in five GM vehicles are manufactured in the United States.

Outsourcer-In-Chief: Obama Of General Motors

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2012/08/12/outsourcer-in-chief-obama-of-general-motors/

Patricia Johnson- I call B S. You said "Obama has been tougher than ANY President thur(thus) far on dealing with China."
WTF is GM doing building 7 OUT OF 10 of their cars in China since WE bailed them out?!?!?!?! Please, please, please, please answer this question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo
You are worshiping a false prophet. You need to take off your blinders. America is in trouble and we need you now.

Only about Obama? I don't think he's the only person running. This comment thread should not just be about Obama, dude. Your comment, more than any other, shows me what a small little one-lane road you guys are going down. And it's "knew", not "new". Yep, I went there.

The liberals argument has now moved to grammar and spelling.

He can carry on United States Foreign Policy in a fashion that benefits the Citizens of the United States without worrying about the impact that doing the right thing might have on campaign contributions or the screeching from the right wing over using any other tool than military adventurism to attain the goals of the United States.
Got it?

Sure sounds like Obama is going to decrease our missile defense otherwise it would not be an issue.

President Obama: On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space.

President Medvedev: Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…

President Obama: This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.

President Medvedev: I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.

Andrew- It's pretty easy to see what Obama was talking about, for those who wish to see the truth. The problem is that many Americans can only take the truth is very small doses.

Racer X, I just shake my head in just how stupid liberals really are.

Andrew, and I just shake my head at how sanctimonious and mean you Republicans are.

Pam... pot, kettle, black

Pam- Can you really not see what Obama is talking about here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JpPU-SwcbE
Really?

Racer, people vote across party lines. 3/4's of the people voting probably vote because of the party, not the actual candidate. It's bad that it's like that, but it is. For both parties. Republicans are no smarter about the elections than the Democrats. Accept that and you will be happier.

A 4.5% unemployment rate and number one in education speaks pretty highly about Romney. Quit regurgitating Obama's lies.

The unemployment rate in Massachusetts while Mitt was governor was right on par with the rest of the country. So having a 4.5% unemployment rate was nothing special for that state. Just par with the rest of the country. And hiding money in offshore accounts so you don't have to pay tax is not very ethical. May be legal, just not very ethical.

Pam J. If Romney "hid" money than no one would know about it. He deposited the money there legally. If Romney did such a bad job than why did his unemployment rate remain so low and why was he top in the country in education? Mind you he accomplished this as a Republican in a state that has over 80% of it legislature as being Democrats.

Patricia Johnson- Romney was quite successful running Bain and I applaud him for a job well done. You would rather applaud Obama for his crappy record.
Please tell me why, since Obama took over GM, 7 out of 10 GM cars are now made in China? Why is GM now in partnership with TWO auto unions which are owned by China, a communist nation? The following video is a speech given, in China, by the current CEO of GM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo
I cannot believe you are going to throw stones at Mitt Romney when our own President is selling us down river.

BStein, do you think Mitt Romney was lying when he said that? Could you please direct me to a video of Mitt Romney making this statement? I would like to see it.

I find it odd that you feel Americans being murdered is "so laughable" I fail to see any humor in it.

Bstein why are you quoting out of context? Are you that desperate?

Romney: “Syria is Iran’s only ally in the Arab world, “ he announced ominously at one point in the debate. “It’s their route to the sea. It’s the route for them to arm Hezbollah in Lebanon, which threatens, of course, our ally Israel.”

Lebanon and Israel only border ONE sea which is the Mediterranean Sea. If you look at a map you will see that Iran does not border the Mediterranean Sea.

Andrew, how is he being quoted out of context?

@Steve I am not laughing at dead Americans, I'm laughing at Republinazis politicizing it.

Bstein you focused on Romney saying Syria is Iran's path to the sea. You forgot to mention that Romney was talking about Iran's path to the sea to Lebanon and Israel which only border the Mediterranean sea. Romney was correct.

BStein, you obviously missed the whole coverup ordeal. This BS was politicized the minute Obama spoke to the world about what happened. I suggest you wait a few weeks and watch Hilary Clinton come clean about this whole thing. I stated here the day Clinton accepted responsibility that she has no intention of taking the ultimate blame. Just wait patiently until the election is over and watch as she clears her name and exposes the truth about this entire debacle. You can bet your life that the truth WILL come out and when it does, you will be wrong.

To blame American citizens for politicizing something this serious is weak on your part. To assume Obama is not politicizing two months from the election, is flat out ignorance. Good luck with all that.

Steve R.- I would bet BStein's life that the world is square.......

It is very possible. The brain is a terrible thing to waste.

You guys keep spitting you game...and that's what it is...a game, misleading everyone and acting like you know everything better.

Iran borders four bodies of water....two of which are named "seas" The Caspian Sea, The Arabian Sea, The Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman. Yes I realize that the Arabian Sea, Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman are connected. But they are named differently.

Keep advocating violence against me @Racer X, it just proves you ineptitude. Those who do not have a functioning brain, choose to use physical violence.

BS- I said "I never advocate violence".

BStein, "You guys keep spitting you game..."?

I promise to prove my point about this cover-up or I will buy you a gift card to the restaurant of your choice for $50. I don't intend to keep arguing about it. I fully intend to prove my theory. It's actually easy now that the actual emails have been made public but I fully expect Hillary Clinton (i misspelled her name before) to testify and prove this a fraud.

I don't like the Clintons. Not because they are Democrats but because they are sleaze. I do however feel that Hillary Clinton is one of the few responsible people in the Obama administration. I think the left and the right wish now that she had won the primary.

If for now we can agree to disagree, I will certainly come back when all the facts are known and I will link to the conversations in this thread. If Romney is elected, I predict Hillary will spill the beans before February.

$50 from me to you. Is that okay? I’m not asking anything from you.

Bstein. How about telling me which sea borders Lebanon and Israel and tell me the fastest way to get to that sea from Iran.

Looks like going through Syria to me...

@BStein
I heard this comment during the debate and couldn't believe his ignorance.For some reason few have commented on it in the media.

The only ignorance I see is that liberals are not bright enough to look at a map and see that the Mediterranean sea, which is the only sea by Lebanon and Israel, is best reached by going through Syria. Romney was right again.

I agree George. Your source isn't worth a mouse-click but if in fact Romney's son is affiliated in any way with machines used to poll his father's election, it would be a conflict. Of course, I haven't heard anything about Obama returning foreign donations which we all know is illegal and CERTAINLY a conflict of interest.

Owning stock in a company that makes voting machines makes it a conflict of interest? LOL!! Looks like the Democrats are getting all their lawsuits ready for when Obama loses.

Democrats have friends? How does that work?

You have had too much cool aid. Nothing you said resembles any of your own observation. I heard that same rant on MSNBC of Lame stream Media. Think what you want, go as early as you want, the American people are too fed up with Odumba to vote him back in.

The demoncrats are getting very desperate! They going to stand around polling places with sticks next?

George- "#3 Decreasing the number of early voting days", That's just funny. Decreasing the number of early voting days would only hurt Republicans as they all work for a living and would have less time to squeeze voting in.
If anything, it would help Democrats as the majority of them sit around waiting for their check and have nothing else to do, except maybe steal the hubcaps off my race car..

Steve R.- Yes, Democrats have friends. This is how it works. They buy their friendship with Obama phones, citizenship and social programs. then, their friends vote for them, just after they knock off one more liquor store.

Yeah and Gacy was a Democrat precinct captain. Your throwing of mud and hoping it sticks shows me just how desperate you are ;-) !

Why is that not a shock? You win $200 (or so you say) and you go out on the town? If you even earned a few dollars, you would feel it fine to treat yourself as opposed to the millions of Americans today that still have integrity, pride and work hard all day while saving and preparing for potential hard times to come.

Anybody want to take a stab as to why America is in the crapper? And what goes in a crapper anyway??????

Typical Obama supporter. Crying about not working but that $200 is burning a hole in her pocket.

Now that I think about it, the most appropriate use of an Obama sticker may well be to cover up a cancerous rust hole, that's pretty much how he wants to fix our country.

Tell me this is the same older lady that was complaining about being unemployed? Wow, typical lib! Ya know O wants 75% of that $200 to redistribute!

Well, thanks Rex. You made me cry. You can just kick so hard before it hurts. And by the way, I am 5'2, 100 pounds, and I hate ice cream. And if you think I like the situation I am in, you would be wrong. You take everything I say and turn in into something horrible. The last two years of my life have been hell, but I guess you think I did that to myself. Well, maybe I did because I trusted people I should not have trusted. I am so glad that you are obviously doing well. I have worked since I was 18 years old. I am 59 now. Do you not have a clue as to what a lot of good, honest, hard-working people are going through right now? Do you really like kicking people when they are down? Sure, go ahead and criticize all the lazy bums, but I am not one of them.

Rex made me laugh. If you are broke you don't blow $200 on a "good time".

Andrew, of course you would laugh because you really don't have a heart. You really ought to get that checked. We would hate to lose you.

Hmmm...what's wrong with shuck and jive? I think it sums up Obama's campaign and his position on Benghazi. Have you ever listened to rap music? Wondering if you find that "reprehensible and disgusting." Does it make you say "really?"

BStein, I share your annoyance at Sarah Palin for using the term "shuck and jive" to criticize President Obama. Would Governor Palin have used that particular term to criticize a white President, like Bill Clinton?

The term shuck and jive means to lie and cheat and Obama is very good at that. Do blacks have this term copyrighted for black use only? No they didn't. Many black terms have made it to main street America.

Race card denied.

The U.S has the highest corporate taxes in the world:

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/04/02/worlds-highest-corporate-tax-rate-hurts-us-economically

Bstein, why was it OK for Carney, Obama's handler, to use that same phrase in 2011?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/07/carney_im_going_to_shuck_and_jive.html

ok Racer X, explain that to me - taxpayer funds to prop up business that cannot run efficiently is ok..
Tax breaks for businesses with the difference being made up by the rest of us is ok?

Pete why back a horse that continuously falters and fails as it will continue to do so? Look at what GM ended up doing with OUR money. They outsourced 66% foreign workers.

The US has the highest corporate taxes in the WORLD. What is wrong with giving companies that higher American citizens a tax break?

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/04/02/worlds-highest-corporate-tax-rate-hurts-us-economically

Andrew, I'm confused. They outsourced 66% foreign workers? How can we outsource foreign workers? And I agree that companies that "hire" American workers should get a tax break. The one thing that Obama has done that I vehemently disagreed with was the Dream Act. I did not agree with putting 1M+ more workers out there with the unemployment already so high. With that being said, I still don't think that Romney can create a miracle. If he gets elected, and if he doesn't do a good job, you will be talking about the "mess" he inherited from Obama, the same way the Obama fans are saying he inherited a mess from Bush. I just wish that you and your other conservatives could just understand that some of do like Obama and let it go. I don't fault you for liking Romney. Heck, my aunt sends me e-mails everyday about how good he is. Yes, you would like my aunt. This is going to be a close election. It will be close to 50/50, which means half the country will be happy and the other half will spend the next four years bitching. Until we do away with the party system, it will always be like this. I know, for certain, that I will not get a "nice" response from you. But I can always hope.

I know you are confused Pam. Here is an article about GM outsourcing to foreign countries.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2012/08/12/outsourcer-in-chief-obama-of-general-motors/

Well said sir....

Obama lied about Romney's position with the auto makers. Even the hard left leaning Letterman called him out on it:

DAVID LETTERMAN, HOST: Here's what upset me last night, this playing fast and loose with facts. And the President Obama cites the op-ed piece that Romney wrote about Detroit, “Let them go bankrupt, let them go bankrupt,” and last night he brings it up again. “Oh, no, Governor, you said let them go bankrupt, blah blah blah, let them go bankrupt.” And Mitt said, “No, no, check the thing, check the thing, check the thing.”

Now, I don't care whether you're Republican or Democrat, you want your president to be telling the truth; you want the contender to be lying. And so what we found out today or soon thereafter that, in fact, the President Obama was not telling the truth about what was excerpted from that op-ed piece. I felt discouraged.

Obama lied about our embassy being attacked in Libya. Obama lies about creating 5.2 million new jobs. We had 3,621,000 more people working in November of 2007 then we did last month and the population swelled by over 11,000,000 since November 2007.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/

Highlights all of Obama's previous campaign lies.

Andrew another point about your wonderful polls. Obama's chances of winning the election are currently somewhere around 71%, that's a composite of all your wonderful polls, Romney is going to win NC, whoopy! Is that going to be the moral victory? winning a few states that Obama lost in 2008? You are so misguided, such a shill for Willard Romney....

Bstein RCP has Romney ahead in 6 major polls so deal with it. Bet he is going to tank even worse after telling America a blatant lie when on the Letterman show.

The 47% comment was the most truthful thing Mitt has ever said IMO! Just look at the polls.
I have voted rep. & dem., but this current Prez is a nightmare. Socialism has never worked Mr. Stein. Ask ANYONE who is the least bit educated on the subject. Oh, btw, Romney will win Georgia!

@Lissa M. What's funny is you think this president is a socialist. You know nothing about Political Science, History or Ethics if you consider this president a socialist, just a nothing rightwing nutjob posing as an "independent voter"

No kidding Romney is going to win Georgia, its one of the most Republican (Ignorant) states in the union. The good news is two-three presidential elections from now things will change, and they will change for good.

"The good news is two-three presidential elections from now things will change, and they will change for good."

You accuse someone for being ignorant and for knowing nothing about politics and history while you personally claim to see into the future. What a joke.

It's called Demographics Sportsfan...why don't you stick to your "sports" and let the people with brains actually talk politics....

Bstein, are you that delusional where you think job creators are thieves or are you just spouting more of your liberal nonsense in hope to get some votes for Obama?

Nice ad hominem attack on Sportsfan. It amuses me greatly to see you melting down because you know Obama is finished.

Andrew, you really are setting yourself up for heartache (if you actually have a heart).

Pam Obama is finished. The last week the left leaning polls will all start showing Romney leading as they won't want to be too far off the actual results

Lets talk about the post office for a moment - Once upon a time, they were the only game in town. It was considered a lifetime job; a federal opportunity with great retirement benefits to boot - we did not manage the company properly, the end user has changed, and ultimately it is handicapped by a private competitive market place without the retirement benefits that currently cripple it.

Regarding other business, the sheer fact we subsidize business with tax breaks and special funding create a net loss in the economy - those breaks don't go into hiring, they go into profits. We are currently paying farmers to NOT grow crops, which could very well be utilized as biodiesel, or God forbid food or cash crops...Thing about that for a second, we have a starving country here, we have staving neighbors abroad yet we pay people to not grow food, rather than pay them to grow food and use that to feed the starving...

Or the fact we pay for a war against drugs, prosecute minor pot crimes and invest money to fight the legalization of marijuana, yet by legalizing, regulating and taxing it, it would add money to the economy and reduce crime, drug trafficking and the expenses of preventing it!!

this whole idea of creating jobs is a shell game - by eliminating government jobs, you do two things - you add to the unemployment population and you move government jobs to the private sector - ie. you end up with a net 0.

Pete, the unions got what they wanted for the post office and we could not keep paying for it. The same will happen with teachers. Do you realize that we have kindergarten teachers earning over $100,000 a year?

Greece had over 40% of the people employed by the government and it turned into a system of patronage. That has not worked out very well for them.

If private industries can do the same job better for less money I back them 100%.

If you can't spell ignorance, you can't go off spouting about President Obama being ignorant, I'm pretty sure that's a rule. You really are one classy individual Steve.....

Obama is a proven liar.

Even if, and I'm not admitting that President Obama has lied about anything, what is your point? Every politician in the history of the world has lied about something, you think Mitt Romney doesn't lie, he doesnt even tell the truth about his first name. What about his tax plans that he can't afford, or Iran, Afghanstan, Women's right to choose, guns, he's lied about them all!!! Keep preaching from your pedestal lightweight, it's not getting you very far....

LOL!! Even Letterman has admitted Obama is a big liar.

DAVID LETTERMAN, HOST: Here’s what upset me last night, this playing fast and loose with facts. And the President Obama cites the op-ed piece that Romney wrote about Detroit, “Let them go bankrupt, let them go bankrupt,” and last night he brings it up again. “Oh, no, Governor, you said let them go bankrupt, blah blah blah, let them go bankrupt.” And Mitt said, “No, no, check the thing, check the thing, check the thing.”

Now, I don’t care whether you’re Republican or Democrat, you want your president to be telling the truth; you want the contender to be lying. And so what we found out today or soon thereafter that, in fact, the President Obama was not telling the truth about what was excerpted from that op-ed piece. I felt discouraged.

The only lightweight here is your cerebral function because you just are too much into dementia to realize that Obama is a compulsive liar.

How is a tax plan, woman's rights, and guns a lie when Romney has done NOTHING because he has not been elected yet. You got a crystal ball and you see him lying about this in the future?

"Even if, and I'm not admitting that President Obama has lied about anything, what is your point?"---bstein

"You know nothing about Political Science, History or Ethics..."---bstein

@steve
People are going to be shocked at the ground game OBama's organization has put together for maximum Democratic turnout .Even North Carolina is in play.

George, no way unless Obama can have about 4 million dead people vote for him.

Romney is up by over 5% in N.C.

"People are going to be shocked at the ground game OBama's organization has put together for maximum Democratic turnout .Even North Carolina is in play.:

Especially to, as you have had here, "vote early."

Certainly before even more news---delibeatey delayed as is has---gets out, and sinks in, on Obama's having even scapegoated innocent AMERICANS---to the "Gates of Hell"---to cover-up.

But didn't you say you turn down full times jobs? If you won't work full time, just go apply at Burger King and the other fast food, part time job places. You can't use your race, your gender or your age as an excuse and EVERYONE knows it. You seem like a fraud and you are obviously full of self pity. I was laid off in 2009 and I worked almost a year at Ingles stoking shelves for minimum wage wearing a frickin tie the whole time. When I wasn't wearing my tie and breaking my back, I was knocking on doors offering to clean businesses and offering yard work around the neighborhood.

Excuses are useless and I DON'T MAKE EXCUSES! How pathetic people are these days crying about being out of work while sleeping in and playing online in between TV shows. It's sickening. What's worse is that you seem proud of it.

Rex, I think you are replying to the wrong person! If you were replying to me, no, I have not turned down any jobs. I have applied at all of the fast-food places and all of the stores. I have no retail or restaurant experience and in a good job market that would not matter. But right now it does. And for you to call me a fraud is wrong because I am not. I am not full of self pity, I am just frustrated. And you are just clueless, which is a trait of Republicans. You think everything is so easy, that nobody should be unemployed unless they want to be. You are the guys talking about the high unemployment rate, so I assume that you know there are a lot of us out here. You are heartless. You enjoy kicking people when they are down. If somebody asks you for gas money at a gas station (which has happened to me), you probably kick them. I am proud to be a Democrat. At least we have hearts. And souls.

So you are saying that you haven't turned down any full time jobs?

"I have applied at all of the fast-food places and all of the stores. I have no retail or restaurant experience and in a good job market that would not matter."---Pam J.

If you are American, regrettably, not true Pam.

Work for espeicially beginners in restaurants have been long closed to Americans.

Few restaurant owners are willing to hire Americans who they could have a hard time firing, for any reason, while employeeng illegals. Similarly landscaping and other businesses.

If the restaurant was Mexican owned, forget it.

The obective of Mexican owned businesses stateside is to, as they put it "capture" dollars to be remitted to Mexico where, at least the Mexican laborers' remittancs are doled out by, essentially, the MxGov as pesos: to keep the dollars, though unearned, to themselves. And that doesn't even include the skim off the top made possible by the MxGov sayng what the exchange rates are..

Why do you think its free to Mexicans to wire dollars to Mexico---but not Americans?

It's a huge racket representing Mexico's second greatest source for cash US dollars having surpassed even tourism years ago.

Care to take a guess at what has become the number one source for cash US dollars?

Used also to debilitate Americans and thus the USA also?

PS: Pam, I know that's contrary to the talking heads blabber on, if I recall correctly, PBS after the first debate principally on the economy. The one co-anchor said she was surprised that nothing had been said (as if it ever is) on (so-called) "immigration." Amazngly they all agreed that immigration has nothing do with the economy despite more people flooding into and/or staying in the country than there are even jobs for.

Why do you think, they do that? Just plain biased? Stupid? Bribed no matter how candy-coated in grants? Blackmailed?

Well. I'm sure you, like us all, must be better off being so wonderfully 'educated'. No?

Or an election of no freedom vs. freedom.

Sitting at home all day, playing online sounds like freedom no matter who is POTUS.

Must be nice to have someone else pick up the tab.

Andrew, I don't have a job. The house is neat and clean all the time. Jobs are popping up online all the time, so, yes, I am online all the time trying to catch them as soon as they pop up. These comment boards are just mindless distractions, really. What do you suggest I do? Do you have any job openings? God, I am so tired of trying to explain that some of us are screwed. We did not ask for it, nor are we happy about it. I am not some lazy bum looking for a handout. I have applied for small business loans, but being a white female is working against me. Am I mad? You bet I'm mad.

Pam if you looked at this thread I did not comment in this section.

But that is a pretty funny excuse for staying on Patch all day. Don't see too many jobs posted on here...

Sorry, Andrew, you are Rex are the two biggest, holier-than-thou people on here. Forgive me if I get you two screwed up. Of course you won't forgive me because it's not in your nature.

"But that is a pretty funny excuse for staying on Patch all day. Don't see too many jobs posted on here..."

Cut it out. For over a decade, there's been dozens more classifiieds in the AJC for dogs for sale than jobs.

And, if you subtracted the jobs that would, one way or another, cost you more to perform than get paid---scams---you'd be lucky to find a dozen real jobs and even that tied only to the highy skilled heath industry.

Pam is 'networking' and more power to her!

I also resent the presumption that had been made that Pam just had to be at fault for sharing a windfall with the PURCHASER of the enabling ticket without having first learned if th PURSCHASER had insisted on Pam keeping the money for a rainy day or not.

I'm pointing his out to Pam. One way or the other, to have done the right thing or, if not, having it pointed out to learn the right thing.

In either case, her business and her business alone.

Meantimeme, if you got a job, why don't you offer her one?

She's had the courage to ask, even if you don't hear it.

And that must count in anyone's book.

If you got an idea of how she can create a little business for herself: even better.

don Gabacho says "Pam is 'networking' and more power to her!"

"CLEAN UP ON AISLE SEVEN"

Well Pam, you managed to fool one fool here.

"...you are Rex are the two biggest, holier-than-thou people..."---Pam

Now it's your turn to "cut it out."

Who do you think would say such a thing except someone who must think they, or their cause, must be "holier"?

Remember, no one wants to hire a cry baby or somone on the vege of being percieved being a shill for Obama's cry-baby brigade insisting that those committed to honestly prosper, whether they achieved it or not, must be meanies.

You have a choice: finding or creating your own work or be a sucker for Obama's class-warfare.

Well, thank you Don, but it's obvious we are not dealing with nice people here. Just a bunch of boys who think they are special. But I am flattered that this whole thread seems to be about me now. I'm still surprised Patch hasn't stopped it. You and George seem to be only people actually talking about what the debate was about. Oh well, life goes on.

"Well Pam, you managed to fool one fool here."

"Fool"?

No me mamas.

PPS: Pam,

If this is a book you missed read it now:

Self-Reliance - Ralph Waldo Emerson Texts

www.emersoncentral.com/selfreliance.htm

"Self-Reliance"---Ralph Waldo Emerson

It's not just for business owners.

Good jobs are filled by the self-reliant too

If you are shilling, and being paid for it, ask God for forgivess for leading others, or trying to, down a primrose path and burn the paycheck.

".it's obvious we are not dealing with nice people here."

Didn't you read what I just wrote?

" I'm still surprised Patch hasn't stopped it."

Still calling for censorship?

Whatever.

Thank you, Mary Lou. I have applied at basically every store, including Macy's. Several times, actually. Like I said, I have no retail or restaurant experience, so that works against me. And my credit is screwed, which means they won't put me anywhere near money! It's incredible really when you think about it. Somebody that was making $23/hr. can't even get a minimum wage job. But I keep applying. Eventually something is going to click and I will get called. And I know that you are, in your own subtle way, saying I should vote for Romney, but I really don't blame any politician for the situation I am in. I've only been unemployed one other time and that was when George Bush (the 2nd one) was in office. I didn't blame him that it took me three months to find a new job. But thanks for at least being nice about it.

Pam went through this a little bit ago. Everyone here listed jobs and suggestions without success for a month. The whole sordid history is at:

midtown.patch.com/announcements/georgias-jobless-rate-jumps-to-93-percent-in-july

http://midtown.patch.com/announcements/georgias-jobless-rate-jumps-to-93-percent-in-july

Andrew, here's another one where she was shown an opportunity and she flat out said "So I just need a part-time job, which also seems impossible to get"
http://southcobb.patch.com/blog_posts/labor-day-tips-from-the-us-labor-secretary

People are bending over backwards to help this person and she ALWAYS, ALWAYS has and excuse. She's used the "white female" excuse before.

Pathetic!

"can't even get a minimum wage job"

Sounds like more excuses to me. McDonald's doesn't care if your credit is bad. Millions of people have bad credit and find a "minimum wage" job in less than three years. It's pretty sad to see a healthy human being make excuses and then watch as physically and mentally challenged individuals bag groceries and collect shopping carts at Publix stores.

Okay, all you idiot men, I have had one interview and that was two years ago. Then they decided not to hire anybody. I have not had one, not one, phone call or interview since. And I have applied for hundreds of jobs. I will be more than happy to e-mail the list I was keeping. Just for the record, I have applied at McDonald's. Several times. And Burger King and every other place. What part of that can you not understand? I have gone to job fairs, I have taken classes, I have gone to several seminars that Cobb Works put on. I have not been sitting on my butt this whole time waiting for the "perfect" job. You two are obviously just too stupid or too dense to understand the real world. So sad.

And by the way, why on earth do you care enough to go back through every comment I have ever made? Just ignore me. It would be easier and take less time.

Pam do you remember me?
http://southcobb.patch.com/blog_posts/labor-day-tips-from-the-us-labor-secretary

I contacted you last month and told you about a full time position and you replied that you needed a part time job. I was just trying to help. In that same thread you stated “but I did have my first interview, so maybe it is getting better”. You said that you just had an interview. Above, you stated “I have had one interview and that was two years ago”.

I don’t care to beat you up or take any further part in this discussion but you should know that people are reading what you write and they feel your pain. Then when it becomes apparent that you just do not want a job, it becomes disgusting. I will be more careful now before trying to help someone and that isn’t fair to me or other people needing a job. You are doing the community a disservice and you should be ashamed.

Well, hello Robert. You were a lot nicer on the other thread. And, yes, I did forget about the other interview. Probably on purpose since I never heard from them. And I keep saying I need a job (a part-time job) in hopes that someone will give me a lead that I can use. And I did think you were a nice person. Guess I was wrong.

Pam, why should Robert bend over backwards to be nice to you time and time again? The guy apparently tried to help you and now it is clear to him and everyone that you are just a pathological liar. I went back and checked the links posted here and every one of them are consistent with the claims being made about you. You have LIED 4 or 5 times in this thread alone. Mary Lou sounds like a sweet, hard-working American and I believe what she says. She would offer you a job today if she could. Now she too knows that you are a fraud.

I do appreciate the information. And I hate telling people that I already knew it because then they think I just don't care. But I do care. Networking is how people get jobs. I tell everybody I meet that I need a job. One of the men that was running for re-election in Cobb County a couple of years ago was in a convenience store I was in. For some reason we started talking and I told him about my unemployment. He took my number and said he would help me. He lost the election and I didn't hear from him. I saw a former coworker at the post office the day after Christmas last year and he said he and his friend had started their own business and since I knew what they were doing, they could use me, so I gave him my phone number and e-mail. Never heard from him. People lie. And I know that I have applied for at least 20 jobs at Macy's in the last two months.

"80 hours a week". How many times we have heard stories like this from business owners trying to save their dreams. It's a shame. I have friends who have had to close their business in past couple of years and go out and find a job.

I wouldn't count on Pam working 80 hours a month yet she spends that much time online spewing her self pity.

Meanwhile Pam J brags about being a Democrat. : )

Go figure. : )

Thank you Rex, yes it is a shame and were doing everything in our power to see it through without losing it. A lot of re-adapting, improvising and being flexible to the next curve ball that gets thrown our way! but we can only do so much. Its ridiculous finding ourselves having to fight the fights were having too. And if this deplorable obomacare gets passed without chance of reversal, we will never be able to re-hire people full time to account for that penalty. Never would I have imagined this great Country being so UN-American toward its own citizens.

Mary Lou. I'd like to hear how your business has been stifled with taxes and regulation? Blaming your poor business on the president seems like a pretty easy cop out to me.....The economy was in the crapper before 1/20/09.

Mary Lou- Don't waste your time responding to BStein. He/She has no interest in reality.

Oppps..Pam J- sorry..I have to withdraw that job offer. I didn't realize you were in Cobb, we are in Gwinnett. The drive would never be feasible. Sorry but still wish you the best of luck in your endeavors!

Thank you, Mary Lou. At least you realize that driving from Cobb County to Gwinnett County would be difficult. Although I have applied for jobs there too. It's funny, though, that some of the job ads state that you have to live within 10 miles of their office. Just one of the many screwy things they require. These are not normal times.

I drive from Cartersville to Atlanta for my work. If you want to work enough a 45 mile drive would not stop you

There are dishonest people on both sides who will cheat to win. I hope that is something that both Republicans and Democrats can agree upon.

"There are dishonest people on both sides who will cheat to win. I hope that is something that both Republicans and Democrats can agree upon."---Duluth2

They both certainly suppress, even brutally, the Electoral Complaint I made October prior to the last General Election of officials and employees of the MxGov's Institute of Mexicans Abroad and Ministry of Public Education being supplied still untold numbers of our voter registration forms. Including officials and employees of the MxGov responsbe for "preparing" the (2nd) Matricula IDs upon the arrivals of Mexicans to (as long instructed in Mexico) key Mexican Consulates stateside.

All the officials would need to "prepare" the still untold numbers of voter registration forms is the type of info described by the congressman.

Both parties indeed still allow Obama's Voter Rights Section of the DOJ' Civil Rights Division still ignore the very proofs of the matter.

PS: To be fair, as if the issuing of the original incorporation papers were not enough, by the then Democrat and SOS of GA, Cathy Cox, both parties also ignore the incorporation paper renewals since of the MxGov in the US as its especially offending Institute of Mexcio. Just ask our current Republican SOS of GA, Jack Kemp.

Do not be put off by believing that, electorally, the problem must be contained to GA in this day and age electronic balloting whose tallying has been designed to be uninvestigatable or confirmable.

As long as the ultimate tallies do not disturb the total number of eligible voters as voter registration forms (valid or not) reported to a state's SOS, strategic numbers of votes electronically cast in GA and Ohio can even be switched between the states and parties to arrive at a predetermined outcome.

All that would be required is registration forms.

For starters do check out the following links while not allowng yourself to be averted by liars claiming the links lead to "Mexcans waving flags."

Of the MxGov officials flagrantly involving themselves in our elections and photoed, Alpharettans especially may recognize them.

"Though advised that the U.S. Constitution empowers no foreign power---including the Mexican Government---to involve itself in U.S. elections and fully notified of Election Complaint made to the SOS of GA, October prior to even the last General Election---and its suppression--- of officials of the MxGov being provided, having and using untold numbers of U.S. Voter Registration Forms, http://goo.gl/QjAOB , with proofs, http://goo.gl/1Wn0G , at best and upon receipt, AG Holder purged the USDOJ, Civil Rights Department to install Obama's nominee and perceptible proxy of the Mexican Government, Thomas E. Perez, http://www.justice.gov/crt/aag/ , to serve, as he has since, as the Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division and, thus, our Voter Rights Section.

PS: As I've asked in posts to B'Have Patch before:

Can anyone identify the location in Georgia (US Congressman's District in 2004) of the site of the so-called "Si, Se, Puede" "Moving America Forward" "Latino Voter Registration Drives" depicted in the photos?

Photos source:the webpages of the promoting Georgia Association of Latino Eleced Officials.

1992 November 2 thru 4 - Having been invited by the Carter Center and State of Georgia to be shown U.S. Presidential elections in progress in Georgia, spokesperson for the Mexican political officials, academics, political analysts, and grass-roots personnel organized concluded:

"U.S. elections would be so easy to manipulate!"

http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/journal_of_democracy/v011/11.4pastor.html

Dr. Robert Pastor
Founding Director of the Carter Center's Americas Program & Author of "Toward a North American Community" (Institute for International Economics, 2001)"
http://www.american.edu/sis/faculty/facultybiographies/pastor.htm
Robert Pastor
E-Mail: rpastor@american.edu

Eric Holder Defends Opposition To Some State Voter ID Laws
Huffington Post
02/28/12 12:24 PM ET AP WASHINGTON -- Attorney General Eric Holder is
defending the Justice Department's opposition to some state laws
requiring
voters to present photo IDs when they go to the polls. At a House
appropriations subcommittee hearing, ...
<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/eric-holder-voter-id-law-
justice-department_n_1307032.html>

MxGov registering voters for US elections:

12 Nov 2007 – Consulado General de México en Atlanta ...

Word (692 K) - Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores
portal.sre.gob.mx/atlanta/pdf/NC12nov07.doc

http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/Filings.asp?138726

http://bit.ly/nkqBuS
http://bit.ly/odEZbI
http://bit.ly/nWDzCU

Mesa Directiva del Instituto de México, Charlotte Carral, y
el Coordinador de eventos del ... minutos antes de terminar
el programa, agradeció a nombre del Gobierno de México, los
Consulado General de México en Atlanta
portal.sre.gob.mx/atlanta/index.php?option...

20 Nov 2007 – Visa para México: Cambios importantes,
Directiva del Instituto de México, Charlotte
Carral, y el Coordinador de eventos del ... de terminar el
programa, agradeció a nombre del Gobierno de México, los

esfuerzos ...[DOC]
Word (692 K) - Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores
portal.sre.gob.mx/atlanta/pdf/NC12nov07.doc

And just who is allowing and supplying the voter registration forms?

Correction:"U.S. elections would be so easy to manipulate!" ---Basanez

Dr. Pastor was Jijmmy Carter's organizer for the Mx observation of our elections.

Have you even watched the video? Typical O'keefe hit piece. The guy approaches Moran (representing some other candidate) seeking advice and says he's got a hundred names of registered voters who haven't voted in x number of years and wants to use the list to create straw votes. Moran rebuffs the guy several time recommending that he contact the voters and encourage them to vote for his candidate. The guy keeps pressing, making it clear he intends to have other individuals vote under the assumed names and Moran stupidly engages in a hypothetical about how one would go about orchestrating that. In a court of law this would be entrapment of the worst sort. Moran had no choice but to resign considering the hot button voter fraud issue. At no time was Moran's campaign engaged in voter fraud. O'keefe is a stain on humanity who is guided by the drunken ghost of Andrew Breitbart.

"Have you even watched the video? Typical O'keefe hit piece...."---Bryan Crawford.

Sounds most plausible. Thanks.

Andrew, what do your polls at RCP mean??? Absoultely nothing, you do realize that with the electoral college in place national polls mean "zero" right? I'm asking a serious question.

I was salaried when I was working all those hours, so I didn't get any extra money. Worked until 9:00 pm and took the laptop home and worked a couple of hours. Go ahead and call me a liar, but I honestly did forget about the "informational interview". I honestly do wish you people knew me because you would see that I am a nice, honest person. I really would like to see how all of you would act if you were in my situation. I don't expect any sympathy from you because it's not in your nature to feel any compassion, just accept that it's been difficult these past two years.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html